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This is a discussion on "There are no such separate records kept..." within the Ask for RTI Query forums, part of the RTI Community Support category; I had asked for an information in Dist. Consumer Forum. The exact wordings were as follows "Please provide me the details of all such pending cases in the your forum ...

          


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    "There are no such separate records kept..."

    I had asked for an information in Dist. Consumer Forum. The exact wordings were as follows

    "Please provide me the details of all such pending cases in the your forum in which more than 3 adjournments were given. The details should be given in the following format

    Sr. No. Case No. Complainant Respondent Date of Reg. No. of adjournment"

    The reply I got is "There are no such separate records kept at our office"


    Is it proper?

    Pls note that as per the law, no adjournments should regularly be given, if at all it is given, it must be noted in proceedings with reason.

    Please help me what is the law point and what can I do further?

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    Re: "There are no such separate records kept..."

    Chirag,

    Seeking the inspection is practical and quick solution. It will give you the desired information on the spot.

    If you insist on information be supplied by PIO only you will have to file first appeal (and probably second appeal too) which is a lengthy, cumbersome and costly process.

    Choice is yours.




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    Re: "There are no such separate records kept..."

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    Chirag can follow all these steps simultaneously. One new RTI appln covering inspection and additional information as suggested at post No. 2 above. And to pursue old RTI appln with first appeal. There is no much efforts or money involved in these steps.



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    Re: "There are no such separate records kept..."

    Quote Originally Posted by rajub View Post
    Chirag,

    Seeking the inspection is practical and quick solution. It will give you the desired information on the spot.

    If you insist on information be supplied by PIO only you will have to file first appeal (and probably second appeal too) which is a lengthy, cumbersome and costly process.

    Choice is yours.
    Its true but I want the information to be certified by the office, else I know that there are 808 cases pending and all of them fall into the category where the adjourments given are more than 3 and in more than 80% cases it is more than 10 and in more than 30% cases it is more than 20.

    What I want to do is to use this certified information to put my law point on the desk of higher authorities. The PIO perhaps knows this and hence denies.

    Also I know that they will not co-operate with the inspection procedure.

    Alternatively, pls tell me how can I get it certified from the office itself If I go for Inspection as then all the information gathered by me will be known to me only.

    Thank you very much for your guidence. I further request you to help me in future also.



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    Re: "There are no such separate records kept..."

    Chirag,

    You have three options.

    1) During the inspection demand for the certified photocopies of the "record pages" which involve the information you need. The PIO is duty bound to supply them. If he refuses don't give him the certificate that you were allowed the inspection of records. But before asking for the certified photocopies note down the reference numbers/file numbers which contain the necessary records.

    2) Go to the inspection with a digital camera. Take the photographs (and print outs) instantly. Request the PIO to certify/attest the photographs. If he refuses to certify don't give him certificate........

    3) Note down the file numbers/reference numbers and the actual dates of adjournments for various case numbers in tabular form. Request the PIO to certify / attest the tabulation. OR File another RTI application asking the question "Is it true that the in the following cases the adjourments were given for the dates given in the table"

    Good luck!

    Don't loose heart.




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    Re: "There are no such separate records kept..."

    Thats not possible as there are 808 pending cases and it will require lots of time and money. (More than the appeal cost may be...)

    Pls tell me following...

    1. As per rule they must provide the details in the format I need?
    (Because, its consumer court and as per the law it is compulsary to note down the reason for adjournment if given.)

    2. How much time and what efforts will it take to get it done thru appeal?

    3. Will the PIO be penalised for the same?

    4. Is it possible that at the end of the appeal, I may be given some reimbursement of the ticket fare to the place of appeal etc. ?

    Regards

    Chirag




 

 

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