Join RTI India!


RTI India Official Toolbar
Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 31
Like Tree1Likes

Records not Traceable

This is a discussion on Records not Traceable within the Ask for RTI Query forums, part of the RTI Community category; I have received information from PIO that "Records are not traceable" is this is the justified answer, what should be done in such case....

              
   
  1. #1
    nile0611's Avatar
    nile0611 is offline Just can't stay Away
    Likes Received 0 Achievements:
    Three FriendsRecommendation Second Class1 year registered1000 Experience Points
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    mumbai
    Posts
    245
    Thanks
    16
    Thanked 12 Times in 10 Posts
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0

    Records not Traceable

    I have received information from PIO that "Records are not traceable" is this is the justified answer, what should be done in such case.







  2. #2
    Dr. Pathak's Avatar
    Dr. Pathak is offline
     RTI India_Team 
    Likes Received 49 Achievements:
    Three FriendsRecommendation First Class1 year registeredCreated Blog entryTagger First Class
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    New Delhi
    Posts
    2,846
    Name:
    Dr. Pathak
    Blog Entries
    17
    Thanks
    258
    Thanked 629 Times in 247 Posts
    Downloads
    5
    Uploads
    77


    Intimate retention period in case information sought has been weeded out under Record Retention Schedule/Preservation of Records Rules. It would also be advisable to enclose copy of relevant rules or the extract of rules under which weeding of records has been done.

    This is the extract of the departmental circulation I have received from the Ministry. You can see that under the above circular, you must approach for the First Appeal asking for:
    1. Retention period of record.
    2. Rule under which the record has been destroyed, if it is?
    3. If the record is untraceable, who are the Officials responsible for not maintaining it.
    4. Why the above details were not given to me while supplying the information by PIO.







  3. The Following User Says Thank You to Dr. Pathak For This Useful Post:

    sakisom (12-09-2011)

  4. #3
    maneesh's Avatar
    maneesh is offline Not too shy to talk
    Likes Received 6 Achievements:
    Three FriendsRecommendation First Class1 year registered5000 Experience Points
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Ahmedabad
    Posts
    869
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked 36 Times in 23 Posts
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0


    Thats a very good information RTI INDIA Administrator, Please make it part of the FAQ







  5. #4
    muralivmohan's Avatar
    muralivmohan is offline Just Popping In
    Likes Received 0
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    20
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0


    good reply







  6. #5
    maneesh's Avatar
    maneesh is offline Not too shy to talk
    Likes Received 6 Achievements:
    Three FriendsRecommendation First Class1 year registered5000 Experience Points
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Ahmedabad
    Posts
    869
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked 36 Times in 23 Posts
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0


    RTI INDIA Administrator,
    Can you post a copy of the circular?







  7. #6
    mpai's Avatar
    mpai is offline Just can't stay Away
    Likes Received 3 Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    325
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 35 Times in 27 Posts
    Downloads
    1
    Uploads
    0


    Re: Records not Traceable

    Quote Originally Posted by nile0611 View Post
    I have received information from PIO that "Records are not traceable" is this is the justified answer, what should be done in such case.

    All documents are public property. Action has to be taken against missing documents. In an appeal No. 49:APL:2006 dtd.31/8/2006 between B.H. Veeresha & Chief Engineer Bangalore Mahanagara Palike, Bangalore, the Karnataka State Information Commission had directed the Public Authorities to file a Police Complaint wherever public records were reported to have been lost. I am sorry I dont have a copy of this decision, but it should be availabe with the Karnataka SIC.

    Further the Central Information Commission, New Delhi has also ruled in several cases (Ms. Misha Singh v/s MEF; Mrs. Prem Vati v/s MCD etc) directing the Public Authority to file FIR with the Police for missing files, documents and cupboards.

    Manoj







  8. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to mpai For This Useful Post:

    esakky (10-28-2008), nk agarwal (10-30-2008)

  9. #7
    maneesh's Avatar
    maneesh is offline Not too shy to talk
    Likes Received 6 Achievements:
    Three FriendsRecommendation First Class1 year registered5000 Experience Points
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Ahmedabad
    Posts
    869
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked 36 Times in 23 Posts
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0


    Re: Records not Traceable

    I believe that is not a very good step.
    The action taken against the erring officer after inquiry should be the primary recourse.
    What results are achieved by filling FIR. There are millions of FIR pending in the police stations.

    It will give one excuse to the babus to file and FIR and deny the information.

    I wont be surprised if some one file another RTI to find out the number of FIR pending in police stations.


    The objective of RTI to make government transparent not shift blame or generate unproductive work.

    May be a penalty of digitizing the records in a given time period should be awarded to the CPIO with direction to govt to make available required fund.

    If a past mistake can ensure that the future mistakes are avoided, its a lesson well learned.







  10. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to maneesh For This Useful Post:

    esakky (10-28-2008), Rajput (12-26-2011)

  11. #8
    mpai's Avatar
    mpai is offline Just can't stay Away
    Likes Received 3 Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    325
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 35 Times in 27 Posts
    Downloads
    1
    Uploads
    0


    Re: Records not Traceable

    Quote Originally Posted by maneesh View Post
    I believe that is not a very good step.

    What results are achieved by filling FIR. There are millions of FIR pending in the police stations.
    Maybe you can try asking this question to the SIC of Karnataka and the CIC New Delhi, giving reference to their two decisions, I had referred to.







  12. #9
    rejimonck's Avatar
    rejimonck is offline Just Popping In
    Likes Received 0 Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Dwarka, New
    Posts
    34
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 9 Times in 3 Posts
    Downloads
    0
    Uploads
    0


    Re: Records not Traceable

    I too have an experience with Registrar of Societies of missing fulle 135 page letter+docs personally handed over and now when I asked for comments and action the same they replied it is NOT TRACEBLE..
    Ofcourse, I am not in mood to leave that answer.. FOLLOW-UP till the END is what make these officials work.
    Rejimon CK, Dwarka, ND-77







  13. #10
    mpai's Avatar
    mpai is offline Just can't stay Away
    Likes Received 3 Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    325
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 35 Times in 27 Posts
    Downloads
    1
    Uploads
    0


    Re: Records not Traceable

    Quote Originally Posted by rejimonck View Post
    Ofcourse, I am not in mood to leave that answer.. FOLLOW-UP till the END is what make these officials work.
    Rejimon CK, Dwarka, ND-77
    Thats the spirit. Maybe the contents of post number 6 above should help you.

    Manoj







 

 
Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Land Records
    By bombaygirl in forum Ask for RTI Query
    Replies: 36
    Last Post: 01-14-2009, 03:33 PM
  2. Open records are critical
    By ganpat1956 in forum RTI News & Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 12-21-2007, 09:36 AM
  3. Man discovers he is dead in records
    By sidmis in forum RTI News & Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 10-04-2007, 04:44 PM
  4. How to get back my GPF records from Doordarshan using RTI?
    By Nandini Bhattacharjee in forum Ask for RTI Query
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 07-30-2007, 12:34 PM
  5. CIC for inspection of IOC dealership records
    By karira in forum RTI News & Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 07-05-2007, 07:41 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
BTM | Lost Password | Link to Us | Privacy Policy | Terms of Service | Forum Rules | Disclaimer
All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 05:03 AM.
Skin by CompleteVB

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23