Need Help: Can I ask for answerwise marks for my papers in MCA exam ??

[navron]

I have appeared for MCA exam through Distance education from PTU, Jalandhar. In some papers I have got marks much below my expectation. As a result, my career is at stake . I don't think evaluation of answer sheet, depositing a sum of Rs. 1000.00 per paper, will give any positive result.
My question is, can I get to know the questionwise marks obtained in those papers under RTI ?

[vijendra singh]

Yes. Lahiri , u file a RTI application to PTU alongwith postal order of Rs 20 demanding marks of all students of yr subject .& demand whatever more u need. University will definitely send the infrmation to u within 30 days.

[wehelp]

instead of asking of information questionare wise I advice u can ask for a photocopies of the answer sheets of yours. Photocopies will answer all your doubts

[mpai]

Originally Posted by wehelp

instead of asking of information questionare wise I advice u can ask for a photocopies of the answer sheets of yours. Photocopies will answer all your doubts

Also ask for copies of the model answers, so you can compare them with your answer sheet. You can even go a step further, by seeking inspection of answer sheet of all successful and selected candidates and copies of marks received by each of them. After all they fall under public domain.

Good luck

Manoj

[navron]

But there is a decision under "evaluated answer copies cannot be disclosed under RTI" by CIC . In that case , is the Univ. bound to show me the papers ? Can anyone give me an authentic reply ??

[mpai]

Originally Posted by navron

But there is a decision under "evaluated answer copies cannot be disclosed under RTI" by CIC . In that case , is the Univ. bound to show me the papers ? Can anyone give me an authentic reply ??

If you were aware of this decision, why did not mention it when you posted your query yesterday? This make me doubt, whether you are serious or trying to put the folks in this group to test?

Manoj

[navron]

My Dear Mr. Manoj,
I wonder, being a senior member of this group you must know this decision . So while replying my original query, you should have kept it in mind. I am a new member & came to know about this decision after I had posted the first query, while I was going thru this site. At the same time, I would like to draw your attention to the following link
The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Metro | Right won to scan script.
You must also be aware that,the University of Pune has allowed the students to have the photocopies of their answer sheets, which I have come to know from this site only. So, under such contradicting scenario , I posted my second question to clear my doubts.
Had I not been serious, I should not have joined this group.
But now I feel, your first reply was not based on any positive thought & may be it was just for the sake of misguiding others.

[karira]

navron,

Please read some of the threads in the following search results:

http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/search/searchid-34660/

What do you lose by filing a RTI application ?

[jiwateshwar]

above link not working.

[jiwateshwar]

There is one (legal) way around the whole thing. You would have to dig up some previous cases against the particular university where a student might have alleged irregularities in teh examination process and been able to prove it in a court of law. Then further you would have to prove to the SIC/CIC as to how you might have fallen victim to the same thing. Do keep one thing in mind, these cases would have to be pretty recent (last 4-5 years) and there should not have been an audit of the universities examination process after that. Only in cases where the examination machinery of a university is deemed to have fallen below the levels of credibility, can the CIC/SIC allow disclosure of evaluated answer sheets under RTI in favour of larger public interest.

I doubt you could build up a case so strong against PTU (though it is definitely the least credible of all universities in India. Lolz)

[opsharma]

Lahiri,since you are definitely in need of an information - namely inspection of your answer sheets - why not prefer an RTI Application. In the meantime,you can search for similar cases decided by CIC and various SICs . You dont loose anything by trying everything ,there is more than a fair chance of your succeeding .And also, it is not necessary in RTI cases that if one SIC/IC has given "A" Decision,other SICs/ICs will take that as precedence.In fact I have serious doubts whether any of the IC/SIC ever go through various Decisions given by others,analysis of various contrasting decisions reflect that.
Good luck.

[karira]

Just try searching for "answer scripts".

[colnrkurup]

I have been trying repeatedly to open a discussion on this topic or the issue of 'seeking informtion on answer sheets'. But unfortunately no one has bitten so far. I think that this thread is likely to open up the issue.

There are innumerable judgements of CIC on the issue. The latest one is of 23-4-2007 dispossing off 7 cases with a single judgement. Almost all past decisions on the issue is referred to in this judgement. I suggest that members of this forum to open the following judgment available at the CIC's cite, read it at least 3 times to have a correct grasp.
x x x
7 Cases - Decision No. CIC/WB/C2006/00223, CIC/WB/A/2006/00469 & 00394, CIC/OK/A/2006/00266/00058/00066/00315 dated 23/04/2007 on Appeals/Complaints from Shri Rakesh Kumar Singh, Shri Krishna Kumar Dwivedi & others Vs Lok Sabha Secretariat,Delhi Jal Board,Diesel Loc
. x x
The first part of the judgement is little confucing. The ultimate decision is summerised at the end as below:
x x
x Therefore, in respect of these examinations, the disclosure of the answersheets shall be the general rule but each case may have to be examinedindividually to see as to whether disclosure of evaluated answer sheets wouldrender the system unworkable in practice. If that be so, the disclosure of theevaluated answer sheets could be denied but not otherwise. However, while
doing so the concerned authority should ensure that the name and identity of the examiner, supervisor or any other person associated with the process ofexamination is in no way disclosed so as to endanger the life or physical safety of such person. If it is not possible to do so in such cases, the authority concerned may decline the disclosure of the evaluated answer sheets u/s 8 (1) (g).

[hkdubey]

I think You should file an RTI. Any application can be denied under section 8 and 9. You acn challenge with an appeal if it does not fall under section 8 or 9.
They may reject Your application under section
8 b. information which has been expressly forbidden to be published by any court of law or tribunal or the disclosure of which may constitute contempt of court;
Now whether the court has forbidden them to disclose your paper. I think you must take a chance of filing RTI. If they fail you should file a suit against the university.

[navron]

Col Kurup Sir,
What little I could understand is that,as per that judgment, University papers can not be disclosed under RTI. Is it the end of this query , or there is any silver lining left anywhere ? Is not it a total confusing state of affair, where one may or may not get justice . Why the universities are so rigid about not showing the evaluated papers , at least to the concerned student ?
In that judgment, CIC has used the term ' CITIZEN'. Can a student, who wants to see his own evaluated answer sheet be generalised as a 'CITIZEN' ?
Moreover, it has also been mentioned that 'which have an established system as fool-proof as that can be ' - what does it mean. If it so fool (!) proof , then why the student have to think about RTI ?

[navron]

Col Kurup Sir,
What little I could understand is that,as per that judgment, University papers can not be disclosed under RTI. Is it the end of this query , or there is any silver lining left anywhere ? Is not it a total confusing state of affair, where one may or may not get justice . Why the universities are so rigid about not showing the evaluated papers , at least to the concerned student ?
In that judgment, CIC has used the term ' CITIZEN'. Can a student, who wants to see his own evaluated answer sheet be generalised as a 'CITIZEN' ?
Moreover, it has also been mentioned that 'which have an established system as fool-proof as that can be ' - what does it mean. If it so fool (!) proof , then why the student have to think about RTI ?

[colnrkurup]

There are certain High Courts and Sureme Court judgements connected with it. The CIC has considered all those ruling. I think that the above orders of the CIC is the nerest to equity of justice. The CIC has categorically ordered that

"THE DISCLOSURE OF ANSWER SHEETS SHALL BE THE GENERAL RULE; BUT EACH CASE MAY HAVE TO BE EXAMINED INDIVIDUALLY TO SEE AS TO WHETHER DISCLOSURE OF EVALUATED ANSWER SHEETS WOULD RENDER THE STSTEM UNWORKABLE IN PRACTICE. IF THAT BE SO, THE DISCLOSURE OF THE EVALUATED ANSWER SHEETS COULD BE DENIED BUT NOT OTHERWISE "

The words used viz., "render the system unworkable in practice "is too deep. The CIC accept that there is a requirement of disclosure but by making a general practice would defenitely make the system unworkable. For Eg; cosider the case of a prestigeous All India Competetive Examination, where even a fraction of a mark can make or mar the life of a candidate . If the answer papers are subjected to further scrutiny, it will ultimately invite far too many court orders stopping the entire selection process. In that case everythng will come to stand still, till the issue is finally settled in court to the satisfaction of all concerned which is generally not possible.. But in the case of a small batch appearing for selection of 2 or 3 candidate confining to a small population such action will not make the system unworkable. Please keep reading more times, more aspects will come to light. My personal view is that the above orders of CIC are "Golden words"

[jiwateshwar]

Kurup sir,
Would like to draw your attention to this decision (Complaint No.CIC/WB/C/2007/0011 dated 11-1-2007). I have been unable to grasp the decision as a whole, due to its length. However, in tits and bits, it feels that the decision is mighty important one and though not a complete decision in itself, yet highlights many important cases! If possible would you please give us your view of it!

[colnrkurup]

The above decision quotted by you was considered in the above 7 cases quotted by me. In fact I have quotted the concluding part of the decision quotted by you. As suggested above, one should read it few times to graspe the essence. I fully appreciate the decision of CIC though I could not follow as to why they say that they re not agreeing with the Karnataka SIC's decision. In fact I find that they agree with them as for as explanation of fudiciary relationship is concerned.
If anyone need clarification of any specific aspect with reference to the above decision, I shall try to asnswer