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Depttwise Allotment of Appeals in CIC is Harmful for Citizens and fo RTI Act

This is a discussion on Depttwise Allotment of Appeals in CIC is Harmful for Citizens and fo RTI Act within the RTI General Discussions forums, part of the RTI Community Lounge category; Some info commissions have been distributing among ICs the job of appeals disposal according to deptts to which the appeal pertained. One IC in CIC hears appeals of health/ bank ...


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Old 09-10-2008, 07:39 AM
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Depttwise Allotment of Appeals in CIC is Harmful for Citizens and fo RTI Act

Some info commissions have been distributing among ICs the job of appeals disposal according to deptts to which the appeal pertained. One IC in CIC hears appeals of health/ bank /tourism ; Another IC disposes the appeals pertaining to NHRC/ Railways . Another IC hears appeals of steel/ power / labour; & so on .Such allotment is neither legal ,nor beneficial . On the contrary , it is harming the appellants as well as RTI Act spirit in a big way. It in niether democratic ; nor mandatory. We observe in courts that the judges dispose cases pertaining to all the deptts ; they do not distribute the cases according to deptts. Therefore , Info Commisions /CIC must abolish such a distressing distribution of appeals.
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The same IC, hearing the matters pertaining to the same department also leads to "subject/job fatigue" and the fact that the same PIO/AA interacts with the same IC over a long period of time, could also be harmful to the appellant's case.
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Re: Depttwise Allotment of Appeals in CIC is Harmful for Citizens and fo RTI Act

even i had a hearing on 08/09/2008 against the PIO, Passport, Ghaziabad.

the PIO might have faced over an 100 hearing with the same IC. over a period of time the IC is now running into the impression that the things have changed at the PIO's end and with this biased impression he passes his orders.

but the actual fact is the PIO after having faced so many hearings with the same IC, have learned to convince the IC and to divert the discussions during the hearing. and the things remains unchanged at the PIO's end.
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Re: Depttwise Allotment of Appeals in CIC is Harmful for Citizens and fo RTI Act

Abhishek,

You will be shocked to know that RPO Ghaziabad was mentioned as a "Model Public Authority" in a conference organised by CIC !

It took Commodore Lokesh Batra (an RTI Activist from NOIDA), to point it out to the CIC.

Please read about it here:

http://cic.gov.in/Conference-2007/ob...ons-Lokesh.pdf

Commodore Batra's RTI application (regarding implementation of Sec 4 in RPO Ghaziabad) was recently heard by IC OP Kejariwal. I am waiting for the order to be posted on the CIC website and will update you regarding the same.
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Re: Depttwise Allotment of Appeals in CIC is Harmful for Citizens and fo RTI Act

all the orders of IC Kejariwal are not uploaded on the website.

please check if u are looking for this order http://cic.gov.in/CIC-Orders/Decision_03092007_16.pdf


also i would like to highlight; the RPO Ghaziabad openly demands for bribes (amounting upto 25,000/-), makes uncessary delays to harrass the common man, makes intentional errors in the passports and many other ways of harrasment.

so how could CIC make such a blunder by quoting them as "Model Public Authority" ????

if even any public authority has implemented the section 4 of the RTI Act and alongwith that the public authority is a HEADQUATER of corruption/harrassment/dictatorship. how can it be a "Model Public Authority" ?
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Prabhat,

It is the "carry over" of this one.
It was heard just a few days ago by "audio conferencing".

"Model Public Authority" has nothing to do with corruption.

It was as per the RTI Act 2005 and not according to any other standards.
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Re: Depttwise Allotment of Appeals in CIC is Harmful for Citizens and fo RTI Act

in that case you send a request the PS of IC Kejriwal on his email address for a soft copy of the order.

he may send the same to you as a PDF file.

otherwise there is no use waiting for the order to get uploaded.
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Re: Depttwise Allotment of Appeals in CIC is Harmful for Citizens and fo RTI Act

since for any PIO his IC remains the same, the PIO and the staff of the IC enjoys a got chemistry.
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Re: Depttwise Allotment of Appeals in CIC is Harmful for Citizens and fo RTI Act

Urgent need of breaking the unholistic , undesired chemistry betweenPIOs &the ICs. Otherwise the RTI spirit can be damaged badly. All RTIactivists must arrange a candle march before CIC ,Delhi.High court judges never ditribute the appeals depttwise. Why , when & who introduced this deptt-distribution system in info commissions ? can somebody detail on it ?
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Re: Depttwise Allotment of Appeals in CIC is Harmful for Citizens and fo RTI Act

The popular impression is that the ICs have a soft corner for the PAs. Familiarity will only further soften this attitude. The ultimate sufferer is the information seeker.
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Re: Depttwise Allotment of Appeals in CIC is Harmful for Citizens and fo RTI Act

Why not file RTI appln with CIC to know basis/reasons/justification for such an arrangement. Sec 4.1.d entitles us to access reasons for such decisions.
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