Need Help: Let's change this Attitude

[rv253]

Wen you apply for RTI to government they accept only Hand Delivery or Registered Post. But when Govenment reply you they send by Ordinary post. Why this unjustice?

Can people come forward with me to abolish this inequity?

Rajesh Vyas

[colnrkurup]

Where is the injustice Mr. Rajesh Vyas ? Only those who are in need of a proof of despatch/receipt send it by Registered post or handover in person on obtaining receipt. No one compelled an RTI requisitioner to send it by Registered post or hand delivery. Normally there is no reason to suspect that a letter posted with correct address will not reach the addressee. The PIO, normally does not suspect that the receipient will deny such receipt. Even in case of denial, he has got sufficienmt evidence of his letter handing over to his despatch clerk, entry in the service label register etc. to savehis neck. In case anyone complain of non-receipt, he just need to send only another copy. Under these cirucmstances, why should he spend more than Rs.5/-. After all it is public money. You are at absolute liberty to send your application by ordinary post, the way the PIO sends it you.

[jps50]

In your appln U can mention that U desire reply by registered post. Some states rules provide that postal charges should be recovered from applicant. In case of central govt they do not charge postal charges, even if U desire reply by registered or speed post.

[advocate rajesh]

Sir, The letter can be sent through UPC if u want to have the proof,There is no need to send the letter through Registered post.

[DineshK]

In the RTI form of Haryana govt. they have the following columns in the application.

(iv) Whether information is required by post or in person (the actual
postal charges shall be included in addition to the fees.)

(v) In case by post (Ordinary, Registered or Speed)

That may be reason that they charge you Rs. 50 as RTI fee which is highest in the country.

[rv253]

Dinesh ji,
In Maharashtra Suituation is different. Here A Deputy Registrar Co-operative Society had replied me funny.
What he did you know. He made latter in 15 days as per he put date, posted after 1 month. They have tie up with Post office from where they send post. Post office Didn't put stamp. It was assumed that It was postal delay. OIGS Regiter is not kept by Post Office Here so you can't say when it was posted. So you have to again make fresh application or go in appeal.
So I think we must do something.
Rajesh Vyas

[jps50]

Some PIOs are innovative to harass public to whom they are mandated to serve being Public servants!!!.

[rv253]

Dear Sir,

Do you know in Maharashtra RTI application by ordinary post or UCP is not accepted so question of answering not arise.

Do you know in Maharashtra Only Speed Post/Hand Delivery/ Registered post are accepted? Likewise, Fees are Different state to state. I have found mischief from One of Government Employee while reply. He prepared letter one month before, asked postal employee not to put stamp of dispatch and he delivered after 2 months. so I had to either re-apply or go in appeal. It will go on and on. coz he knows loop-hole. Do you understand this loop hole?

RTI Formality is not same in every state. People argue lot without knowing facts which is bad. In Maharashtra Governmetn is not sending reply by Registred AD post/Speed Post. Only OIGS Ordinary post. They Charge Rs.10 for Initial Application.

Rajesh Vyas

[sngupta]

In Ramayan it is written " Samrath ko nahi dosh Gosai". Now a days whoever is in income without results having no care of public. The Govt increasing the pay and allowance without fixing any liability of public servants. It is not easy to make people transparent and accountable. We may try to make them tranparent and accountable. In apite there is so much disclosures needed to be declared as per RTI Act 2005 but most of Govt of India organisation not having such disclosures. The system of receipt and despatch must also be disclosed by every department. We may make efforts for that.

[jps50]

For fabricated delay, u can go in first and if needed second appeal in one or two cases. It will be upto SPIO to prove that he mailed reply within time. He will be required to produce posting proof of post office. Only entry into desptach register in the dept will not suffice. In such a situation PIO can be fined upto 25000/- plus departmental enquiry and compensation can also be claimed in appeals. Let us catch hold of one or two such PIOs and all others will learn the lesson. I suggest prayers as per my blog at http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/blogs/...rs-appeal.html. Let us also be innovative for good reasons against bad reasons of mischeveous PIO. When U file first/second appeal do send copy to concerned PIO also.

[abhi987]

I am sorry to put it this way but there is close to 100% corruption.

I had a mathematical case with the deputy registrar co-op sty's, he passed an order in my favour, the order was stayed by his senior and then tarikh pe tarikh.

Once I barged into the senior's office to complain that there is no reason for giving dates after dates, and delaying the hearing and he questioned me " Are my juniors deliberately doing it" I said exactly, that is what they are doing, to this his answer was you cannot speak to me any further!!

RTI is three years old, it has a long way to go, I have lot of hopes.

Hey, by the way, it is more than a year and the case is still pending for hearing!!

[rv253]

PLEASE READ THIS. JPS50 HAS POSTED THIS. ALSO IF ONE OUT OF 10 GETS ANSWER FROM ORDINARY POST IN OTHER STATE IT DO NOT MEAN EVERYONE IS ANSWERED SIR.

YOU WILL SEE MANY PEOPLE HAVE SUPPORTED ME IN THIS MOHIM. IT'S ONLY YOU WHO HAD MADE ARGUMENTS.

THANKS
RAJESH VYAS
If you want to learn about 'How to draft an RTI Application', kindly read this here!

You will need a proof, that your RTI application has been received by the PIO. The tested methods to submit a RTI application are:

• Personally, by hand: Please ensure that you get your copy of the application and proof of payment duly stamped, signed and dated, either by the PIO or by the inward department
• Registered Post AD: The AD card will act as proof of submission, after it is returned to you by the postal department. In case the AD card does not come back with a proper stamp, signature and date of receipt, follow up with the despatching post office to get the AD card completed
• Speed Post (A postal department service): Once the application is sent by Speed Post, track it on Untitled Page and keep a print out of the delivery status carefully with you

Do not use ordinary post, private courier companies, etc. since these will not provide you with a confirmed proof of delivery.

Designated Post Offices:

In order to facilitate citizens in filing RTI applications, the government has designated certain Post Offices for accepting RTI applications addressed to Public Authorities (PA's) under Central Government. These cannot be used for submitting RTI Applications addressed to State PA's, Legislatures, Courts, etc.

A list of designated Post Offices is available here:

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You can read the following thread for further information regarding submitting your RTI applications through designated post offices:

http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/1653-t...end-cpios.html
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Where is the injustice Mr. Rajesh Vyas ? Only those who are in need of a proof of despatch/receipt send it by Registered post or handover in person on obtaining receipt. No one compelled an RTI requisitioner to send it by Registered post or hand delivery. Normally there is no reason to suspect that a letter posted with correct address will not reach the addressee. The PIO, normally does not suspect that the receipient will deny such receipt. Even in case of denial, he has got sufficienmt evidence of his letter handing over to his despatch clerk, entry in the service label register etc. to savehis neck. In case anyone complain of non-receipt, he just need to send only another copy. Under these cirucmstances, why should he spend more than Rs.5/-. After all it is public money. You are at absolute liberty to send your application by ordinary post, the way the PIO sends it you.[/quote]

[rv253]

yes you are right sir,

But you tell me. this law is uniform all over india then also why submission formality different. why we should suffer because of beauraucratic self made rules?
Thanks for sending me details about courses in KC college. I will try to find details from there about courses Sir.
Regards
Rajesh Vyas

[sanjeev]

Originally Posted by abhi987

I am sorry to put it this way but there is close to 100% corruption.

Once I barged into the senior's office to complain that there is no reason for giving dates after dates

I am sorry but we need to change the attitude of each and every person. Just by saying there is 100% corruption, no body can demean all the good work done. it has become a fad to accuse and abuse the government servants, nobody understands that they are human beings too can have their officila/personal problems. No organisation runs without human beings and huma beings are after all human. they too can err.

but before accusing 100% corrution, one needs to look into his own soul too. Barging into a senior officer's room without appointment is no solution at all. Can anybody just guess the amount of work and the pressure that is exrted on a government servant?

[rv253]

Dear Guptaji,
Thanks for understanding Logic. Suppose a single person is getting reply from Ordinary post, Does it mean everyone gets? Is Government not Providing Funds for RTI Department? then why Issue of Funds for Registreed AD reply should arise? That mean those Postage Funds also going in someone's pocket. If RTI Act Common all Over India why Administrative Procedures are not same and Why we should suffer was my point. and you undertood correctly.
In India People talk big but when I call them for helping in matetr they run away is mentality here. You have correctly said that this law is not transparent all over India. I agree with you.
Thanks
Rajesh Vyas

[abhi987]

Originally Posted by sanjeev

No organisation runs without human beings and huma beings are after all human. they too can err.

but before accusing 100% corrution, one needs to look into his own soul too. Barging into a senior officer's room without appointment is no solution at all. Can anybody just guess the amount of work and the pressure that is exrted on a government servant?

The junior erred in giving the order, so the senior stayed it for ever!

You are trying to sugggest there is no corruption and the senior has no time for more than a year to conduct hearings!

I agree that he is over burdened, so let me see when the actual hearing takes place and the senior calls me.

I am sorry to Dear Rajesh Vyas for migrating the topic and flow of this thread, I did not intend to.

[rv253]

Originally Posted by sanjeev

I am sorry but we need to change the attitude of each and every person. Just by saying there is 100% corruption, no body can demean all the good work done. it has become a fad to accuse and abuse the government servants, nobody understands that they are human beings too can have their officila/personal problems. No organisation runs without human beings and huma beings are after all human. they too can err.

but before accusing 100% corrution, one needs to look into his own soul too. Barging into a senior officer's room without appointment is no solution at all. Can anybody just guess the amount of work and the pressure that is exrted on a government servant?

In Anxiety anyone looses temper. Thank God you have not thrown him out of his Chair. Why those people don't change? Coz they have become Shameless. We people just talk here but when we need to come together we don't get time for that. I had taken up some campaign in my locality but No one came forward. No one have time. In my locality there are Journalists, Doctors, Lawyers, Activists, Politicians, Beauraucrats but they never utter a word. Why people behave like Cowards?
Like as Indian if you go in Africa you are 100% not safe as a Man. But if an American woman, roaming there without wearing sufficient clothes, she is 100% safe. Coz their Government have pressure on those people that they fear to touch her. Where as if we talk of our selves? We are not safe in our country itself, our own appointed people makes you run here and there and haress you. Can anyone dare to act in America like our Government Employees acting in India?
We have to come together at last.
Rajesh Vyas

[rv253]

Sir Ji,
In which place your Case Going on? in Thane or Mumbai's Deputy Registrar? I have seen In Thane Deputy Registrar Office, they haress you lot and don't do their Duty, they are appointed to not to solve problems but haress people.

Will Shri Vilasraoji Look in Matter?
Rajesh Vyas

[sanjeev]

Originally Posted by abhi987

You are trying to sugggest there is no corruption and the senior has no time for more than a year to conduct hearings!

i am not trying to defend the corrupt and inefficient government servants. neither am i saying that there is no corruption. But i disagree with the observation that there is 100% corruption.

[abhi987]

Dear Rajesh,

I appreaciate your spirit. You have come to the right place.

RTI is a great tool to fight corruption, but you will first need to learn the basic act and also learn how to use it tactfully, to get the desired result.

It is the most radical and powerful act introduced in our country since independence.

It has a great future and a tremendous potential to remove / reduce corruption from our country.

Please spend some time with the home page of this forum, it has tons of information on RTI Act, tips and tricks of how to tactfully draft RTI applications, you can then use RTI successfully to change the way we are governed.

RTI was introduced in Sweden in 1766, USA 1966 and India 2005.

You will be thrilled to know that inspired by the success of RTI, our neighbouring country Bangladesh has recently introduced RTI in 2008 to check corruption in their country.

Please be active on the forum and make your contribution towards removing corruption from our country.