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EPF - Withdraw or transfer?

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by , 11-22-2008 at 04:17 PM (45639 Views)
          


When one hops from one job to other is it better to withdraw or transfer the EPF amount?

MS BANGA spent 22 years at Hindustan Lever Limited before becoming chairman of the company.

Some of us know about how his loyalty reaped him rich dividends in terms of respect, position, salary, etc. But not many know of the benefit that Banga and other long runners like him have garnered, that of an unbroken Employees' Provident Fund.

Your company PF could build you a small fortune over the years. That is, if you let it.

In our fast forward world, no job is for keeps. You and I probably don't know many people who have had the same job for 22 years. Nowadays, even two years in the same company is considered a record. The result, more often than not, is a broken PF.

It is so much easier to withdraw the PF than transfer it to your new employer. Who will fill up Form 13, get it attested and follow up constantly?

We are, after all, the easy-way-out generation. So we withdraw the money.

But let me give you a monetary argument: 28-year old Amar quit his first job after four years for another. When he moved out to his new job, he withdrew his EPF balance (nearly Rs 1 lakh) to buy a car. At the new company, his EPF started at zero.

At 33, he changed his job. This time, too, he withdrew his PF balance, nearly Rs 1.5 lakh (Rs 150,000). Again, he was back to zero.

Thereafter, he did not withdraw his EPF. Whenever he changed jobs, he kept transferring his balance. When Amar retired, his PF was Rs 79 lakh (Rs 7.9 million).

Vineet, Amar's colleague, followed a similar career path, but with one key difference. He didn't withdraw his PF whenever he changed jobs. He transferred it each time. Vineet now has a cash balance of Rs 89 lakh (Rs 8.9 million), a difference of Rs 10.29 lakh (Rs 1.03 million).

While Rs 10 lakh (Rs 1 million), might be small change for MS Banga, it is a big deal for you and me. That little 12 per cent monthly deduction (with an equal contribution from your employer), can make life after retirement a lot sweeter.

Chartered Accountant Jacob Verghese gives another good reason: "You have to pay tax if you withdraw your PF before completing five years. If you transfer it, you can earn more in the long run in terms of returns."

If you are still not convinced, here is the icing on the cake: you stand to receive 24 per cent of the amount standing to your account as pension once you are 50 years old, and full pension at age 58 onwards under the Employees' Pension Scheme.

Remember:
i. If you are employed with an organisation that manages your PF on its own as a private trust, you need to check the rules on transfer or withdrawal of your PF money.

ii. A steady return of 8.5 per cent on your PF account, compounded on an annual basis, is better than most investment options being offered in the market today, so don't withdraw with the intention of
re-investing.

iii. If you really need the money, opt for part withdrawal. You can withdraw up to 90 per cent of the balance in the account for an emergency.

For occasions such as your child's marriage, you can withdraw up to 50 per cent of your own share of balance. But you need to have been a member of EPF for at least five years with a balance of Rs 1,000 in your account.

The future
Those of you citing 'hassle' as an excuse from transferring, can rejoice. A total revamp is on the cards. There will soon be a permanent number issued to employees. This means holding a single PF account all through life, thus eliminating the hassle involved with transfer.

All you need to do is quote this number every time you move to a new organisation Moreover, your account information would be online soon, just a click away.

So what is your excuse?

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  1. taurus's Avatar
    There is no way now. Earlier even non-operative accounts were credited interest by EPFO. Now they have discontinued it. You may have to opt for final settlement only.
  2. sekhri.priyanka's Avatar
    Hi,
    Please help me with my following query:

    I hav left both company A and company B. Company A's EPF account was with RPFO. and company B has its own PF trust. Now I was trying to withdraw PF account from both Companies. But as i have not worked for 5 years with Comapny B having its own pf trust, so comapny B's give PF amount after deduction. So i was just wondering if i can get answers to few of my queries:

    I have worked with Company A for 1.5 yrs and with company B 4.5 yrs.

    1. As i have left both Company A and Company B, Can i initiate EPF transfer from Company A to Company B.
    2. if i transfer company A's PF account to Company B, can i then get get PF amount withdrawn from company B without deduction?

    Regards,
    Priyanka
  3. taurus's Avatar
    I donot think the deduction is permissible in the first instance. They have to settle the full amount to you. Please complain to the EPFO/RPFC concerned.
  4. mukund m's Avatar
    Hi,
    Please help me with my following query:

    I had given a request to transfer my PF from my previous company in bangalore to current company in Chennai. The transfer was initiated in May 2010. However I am still unaware of the status of the transfer.

    When i ask my current company about it, they say that i have to ask EPF office in Chennai. Even though my current PF account is in Chennai, I am based in bangalore and working here.


    Whenever I try to check the status online at the following link
    Employee Provident Fund Organisation (EPFO), Chennai
    I get the following message

    Receipt_no | Type | status | remarks
    -------------------------------------------------------------
    100900015571 | Form 13| Under Process| Your Claim is received on 17/09/2010 and is being
    processed. Kindly Try after 30 days from Submission.
  5. taurus's Avatar
    You can make an application under RTI to know the action taken on your claim and also people responsible for the delay, what action was taken against them for the delay etc. This will expedite matters and settle your case.
  6. Anand Vikash's Avatar
    Hi,
    Recently I have got a GOVT. job. There as per new guideline we have been allocated in New Pension Scheme (NPS). Previously I was working in private sector. So there I have old PF/EPF account. I have filed the required form to transfer my PF to new employer but they have rejected the transfer request citing both are different scheme. Then how is it possible to transfer all my PF/EPF amount to my NPS account, TYRE-I type? I don’t want to withdraw the fund since it will attract tax and also it is for old day saving purpose.
    Regards
    Anand V.
  7. taurus's Avatar
    Tier I account of NPS is not a Provident Fund Scheme. It is a pension scheme. There is no provision in the NPS Tier I to transfer any EPF or GPF account to it. The other alternative to keep your savings in tact, without spending it now, is to open a Tier II account under NPS and deposit the entire old EPF accumulation in that Tier II account of NPS. For that, ofcourse, you have to get all the money in your EPF account as final settlement. Then you have to deposit it in the Tier II NPS account. I dont think the final settlement account of EPF will attract IT.
  8. gotovishal's Avatar
    Hi,
    After a year long struggle and several RTI's later, my EPF was NEFT transferred by Delhi EPFO in Gurgaon EPFO A/C instead of sending it to my company's PF trust.
    Now Gurgaon EPFO says they have sent it back and Delhi EPFO says they don't have it. I sent RTI to both Delhi and Gurgaon EPFO's to get the current status but they is no response. What should I do ?
    Regards Vishal
  9. taurus's Avatar
    Gotovishal,
    I think you should file a complaint in the consumer forum for deficiency in service so that you get compensation also.
  10. gotovishal's Avatar
    Hi Taurus,
    Thanks for your response.
    Are you sure Consumer Forum has discretion over EPFO ? Will EPFO really implement the orders of Consumer Forum, if I am successful in obtaining one ?

    Also, can you help me with exact process and format in which complaint can be filed in consumer forum ?
  11. taurus's Avatar
    I have no expertise in the Consumer Protection Act. You may consult some one who knows it.
  12. kabir_'s Avatar
    Hi Taurus,

    Appreciate your efforts answering the queries! I worked with company A for 4.8 years. I switched the job again in 9 months. I had applied for PF transfer with company B however got below response when checked the claim status online:
    Status : Claim Form 13 for Transfer to New Account Number: AGAINST Old Member Account has been rejected. Rejection letter is under dispatch/ dispatched to address in your claim
    Should I apply for PF transfer again with my new company C ?
  13. taurus's Avatar
    It is not clear why the request of transfer is rejected. We have to see the rejection letter for details and then only decide further course of action.
  14. klysamik's Avatar
    Hi Taurus,
    I worked in in Delhi from 2007 to 2010. In that period, I worked with 2 companies in 3 phases ( I worked for the same company in two phases). So, I have 3 different EPF accounts (two with the same company) under the RPFO, South Delhi. I never withdrew or transferred the EPF accounts. I then have a year gap in the service. Presently, I am working in a establishment in Mumbai , which is an exempted establishment (Having own PF trust). Now, I want to transfer all my previous three EPF accounts to the present account. I have filled up form 13 and gave it to my present employer, who sent it to my previous employers in Delhi. But the previous employers sent the forms back to me after attaching form 3A with form 13 submitted by me. Now please tell me where should I/my present employer should submit the forms for the transferring of the PF accounts. Should it be sent to RPFO, Bandra,Mumbai or to RPFO, South Delhi?
  15. taurus's Avatar
    Your Previous employer should not have sent it back to you. Please ask your current employer to forward the documents to the South Delhi RPFC.
  16. klysamik's Avatar
    I applied for the transfer of 2 old EPF accounts to my present establishment which is an exempted establishment. South Delhi EPFO initially started the processing. Now the status showing "Claim Form 13 for Transfer to new account number against old Member Account has been rejected. Rejection letter is under dispatch/dispatched to address in your claim"
    I registered a grievance to know the reason for rejection. I got the following reply
    "This is with reference to your Grievance registered vide Registration Number DELSO/E/2013/00893. It is informed that your grievance is being treated as non-actionable due to the following reason(s):Claim form 13 has been forwarded to RPFC, Bandra (East) vide letter dated 06.02.2013 for verification of member's particulars and specimen signature of the establishment. As soon as the claim form is received after verification the transfer will be effected"
    Till date I haven't received any rejection letter.Please let me know where should I follow up next.
  17. taurus's Avatar
    Please contact the Bhandra office and show them the response received for your grievance. Ask them to expedite reply to Delhi office. You can also give a written application to this effect the RPFC, Bhandra(East) so that they act without forgetting. Even if they forget you can follow it up with an application under RTI. It will come in handy then.
  18. klysamik's Avatar
    Hi,
    I applied for the transfer of my old EPF account in EPFO, South Delhi to my present establishment, which is an exempted establishment (Tata provident fund) under EPFO, Bandra, Mumbai.
    The Claim Status Information in the EPF India website is showing the following mssage:

    Claim Form 13 for Account Transfer AGAINST Member Account No (DSNHP00252560000007996) has been settled. Annexure K and Payment sent through cheque No 613792 dated 22.02.2013

    Today when I inquired with my present establishment, I got an reply from the concerned authority that the money amounting Rs. *****/- has been credited to my present EPF account on 15.03.2013 and the same was updated in the record.

    But I haven't got any copy of Annexure K. When I inquired with my present establishment, they says that it is with the establishment provident fund trust and I will not get it.

    My question is: shouldn't I get a copy of the Annexure K?
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