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    Okes finally I have the answer , RTI India would Have Salt salt and Salt.

    PJ Aparts

    No doubt we would soon reach destiny, you are right.

    And remember if Dandi March had Gandhiji , we have Ganpatji.

    The "G" factor would work for us too


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    Dear Abhinav,
    Kindly avoid personal adulations. Let us confine the discussions in this thread only to the important points in the article of Shri Sailesh Gandhi.
    Defeat is not final when you fall down. It is final when you refuse to get up.

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    It was a compliment Ganpat

    So many have used your name to praise you

    So did I , simple , U didn't like

    Fine , u r a moderator now, delete the same

    I didn't bring Mahatma Gandhi too, it was just normal , not specific

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    Quote Originally Posted by ganpat1956 View Post
    Article by Sailesh

    In the interest of transparency and accountability, the Right to Information Act (RTI) provides information to the common man with the help of public authorities. Since the government rushed the legislation through, teething problems persist to this day.

    I WAS AMONGST the fortunate ones who attended the first-of-its-kind RTI activists’ meet at the BCAS Foundation’s Mumbai office on Monday, the 6th August ’07. RTI activists from across Mumbai attended the meet, organised by BCAS Foundation and the Public Concern for Governance Trust (PCGT).

    Those present included Mr. Julius Ribeiro, Ex-Director General of Police, Mumbai, Mr.Shailesh Gandhi, Mr.Narayn Varma, Mr Bhaskar Prabhu and representatives of the Times Foundation.

    The current RTI scenario and the problems faced by the activists were discussed at the meet. Participants opined that the Act faces a lot of resistance from the government and bureaucracy. Perhaps because the government rushed the legislation through, teething problems persist to this day. The mindset of the politicians and bureaucrats has to change. The legislation is just two years old and unfortunately we need to fight a 58 year-old defunct system.

    The RTI movement in fact started as early as 1976 when the Supreme Court declared (while dealing with the case of Raj Narain vs. the State of U.P) the right to information as being part of the fundamental rights under Article 19 of the Constitution. Article 19 (1) says that every citizen has freedom of speech and expression. The <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = ST1 /><ST1:STREET w:st="on"><ST1:ADDRESS w:st="on">Hon’ble Court</ST1:ADDRESS></ST1:STREET> said that people cannot speak or express themselves unless they know.

    After hectic lobbying by the activists and citizens concerned, the efforts of civil society for the right to information were finally rewarded. On 10th May 2005, the RTI Amendment Bill 2005 was tabled in the Lok Sabha. The Bill was rushed through - the Lok Sabha approved it on 11th May 2005 and the Rajya Sabha on 12th May. On 15th June 2005, the President gave his assent to the National Right to Information Act, 2005. After the presidential assent, the Central and State governments had 120 days to implement the Bill in its entirety. The Act formally came into force on 12th October 2005.

    RTI Act provides the right to information which the common man can access with the help of public authorities, in order to promote transparency and accountability in the working of every public authority.

    RTI Act 2005 empowers every citizen to:
    • Ask any questions of the government or seek any information
    • Obtain copies of any government document
    • Inspect any government document.
    • Inspect any government works
    • Collect samples of materials of any government works

    But according to me, the bigger challenge now is the actual implementation of the Act which alone can help the society in benefiting from it. Filing RTI initially is an easy task but then to file appeals and to benefit from it is a painstaking effort. RTI activists need to have lots of patience and domain knowledge to succeed over the devil of the “corrupt system of 60 years”.

    Some of the measures like mass public awareness, publication of PIO (Public Information Officers) directory, training of PIO’s and government staff need to be conducted with the joint participation of government and organisations dedicated to RTI.

    The RTI Act provides an avenue to the common man to seek information, ask for action taken and make government and the system more accountable and responsible. It will in fact become a tool for ensuring better governance. Mr. Julius Ribeiro rightly said that this would only happen when RTI becomes a public movement and every citizen exercises it as his / her fundamental right.

    So let us come together and support this noble national movement, the Right to Information.

    RTI should become a public movement

    Good piece of information shared. Thanks

    Mohandas

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    Please read the above article of Mr.Shailesh Gandhi again now. Especially following extract:

    "The RTI Act provides an avenue to the common man to seek information, ask for action taken and make government and the system more accountable and responsible. It will in fact become a tool for ensuring better governance."

    By now we all know what differentiate the RTI Act from all other enactments It is its specific assignment of responsibility and time-bound accountability. In nutshell, Sections 6(2), 7(1),19(5), 20(1) and 20(2) of the Act. RTI Act sans these sections will be another lame legislation.

    Look at what happened to it now. The very same person who wrote the above has failed us and now preach Gandhigiri. With the new system of Gandhigiri, a PIO or AA has absolutely no accountability or responsibility. He can outrightly refuse the information. His FAA can follow suit. The aggrieved poor appellant struggle through to make a Second appeal. If it pertain to CIC, the CIC has made an unlawful Management Regulation permitting a government servant under him to reject it forbidding a chance to seek review contrary to repeated Supreme Court Orders. It is worth to recollect that the Mr.Gandhi was a party to the fight against the CIC's (Mnagement) Regulation 2007 along with me. If the Bada Baboo is pleased, it may take another year to consider hearing. If there is no way to reject the appeal and if it reaches our own Rtian turned IC, he may order the PIO to provide the information and Congratulate the PIO using a different word " pardon" for his refusal without any reasonable cause. This means the PIO got nearly 1 1/2 years time against 30 days given in the Act.

    Now please tell me what avenue the common man got ? Who is responsible for causing untold hardships to the cityzen ? Who is accountable for this atrocity ? Our government has made our own man an IC and in a way challenged us to implement what we have been wanting or preaching . Now see what he has done ? The government is having a last laugh. When one among us cannot do what we were wanting and we are not daring enough to kick at " The God That Failed" what public movement we are talking about ?
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    Dear Kurup sir i need a bit advise if i don;t get proper replies by FAA, what is stopping me to go to Court with a writ petion to request Court ti get me replies and at same time go though the CIC route also. The court are empowered to send a notice on my behalf

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikrambakshi67 View Post
    Dear Kurup sir i need a bit advise if i don;t get proper replies by FAA, what is stopping me to go to Court with a writ petion to request Court ti get me replies and at same time go though the CIC route also. The court are empowered to send a notice on my behalf
    Nobody or nothing stop "me".

    But how many of us afford the cost of writ petition?

    Secondly the high court generally refuse to hear any writ if another available alternate remedy is not exhausted before hand. I remember having read 2 or 3 such writ petitions dismissed by HC for not using alternate available remedy prior to filing the writ.

    The most important point here is why a "citizen" would use RTI if it involves years and years of delay and lot of money and efforts to get a small information?

    With the present state of affairs will it really become a public movement?

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    Sir the basic idea is to expose these charcters, so why don;t start publishing RTI Applications with thier replies and a bit of background in media. Let media hound these charcters till RTI gives you an opportunity to expose corruption.

    Refer a ruling by Madras High Court that Right to Privacy fades out in front of the Right to Information Act and larger public interest:
    (i) The Madras High Court has held that banks have a right to publish the photographs of defaulters in newspapers and that such publication will not amount to invasion into the privacy of the individual. Justice V Ramasubramanian, who dismissed a writ petition by a defaulting borrower from State Bank of India, K J Doraisamy, said publishing the photographs of defaulters would not be 'breach of duty of secrecy and confidentiality' on the banks' part. The State Bank of India, Erode branch, issued a notice on May 22 to Doraisamy, warning him that it will publish his photograph as well as the surety in newspapers, if the loan was not repaid. The borrower challenged the notice on the ground that the publication of the photographs would bring down his reputation and would be violative of Article 21 of the Constitution guaranteeing Right to Privacy.The judge held that with the advent of the Right to Information Act, 2005, the banks had a duty to inform the public and that would not amount to violation of the Right to Privacy and dignity of the borrower. He said "the duty of the bank to disclose information to the public or the interest of the bank requiring disclosure supersedes it duty to maintain secrecy and confidentiality". "Right to Privacy fades out in front of the Right to Information Act and larger public interest. If borrowers can find newer and newer methods to avoid repayment of loans, the banks are also entitled to invent novel methods to recover their dues", he added.

    (ii) Kindly confirm if that was the case if there is no justice available for me in the system against a powerful nexus, RTI is also getting delayed, the writ petitions/court cases/ RTI applications and results /information/response can it be published in open forum when the information is also in public interest especially how funds were being misappropriated with proof of evidence and other related issues of manifestations of corruption. Let a public scrutiny take place on justice to benefit the corrupt nexus

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