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  1. #33

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    Phadke sir - Namaskar. Just found out that provisions of Sec. 4 are followed more in the breach. None of the Police authorities in the states have made available any information. One needs to undertake a pilgrimage to the offices to find out the names and whereabouts of the PIOs. Is there is some penalty for not implementing sec. 4 provisions?



  2. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by vnatarajan View Post
    Dear Concerned/ Interested,

    I tried to see the Obligatory RTI provisions in some of the Nationalised Banks.

    1.Many do not have any RTI set-up/ cell/ unit to attend to the obligations.

    2.Most do not have any PIOs identified ( naturally no FAA etc.).

    3.Some Banks have made a web-page for RTI Act provsiions and made public all information which is nothing but their history, other published information, annual report etc.
    vnatarajan
    Right. Most of these entities have not even published their directory, salary details of employees etc that have been included in RTI act after lot of thinking.

    A step ahead akin to tracking rail moment on internet, it should be possible to track movement of individuals on internet (atleast minimal - Say whether somebody has come to office on a particular day or not etc. Technology is not at all a problem for this). This would especially help in transparency, accountability. Only then common man will get exact information on all their dealings: cheques, applications etc etc. Else, they will be taken for ride always the way it happens now.

  3. #35

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    The position in Punjab is worst, PAs which had their websites previously, now currently unavaialable.

  4. #36

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    Now after persistent directions from CIC as well as concerned ministries; the public authorities just completing the formalities ; put minimum information on websites u/s4 of RTI Act knowingly . They just very shrewdly befooled the CIC as well as innocent citizens ; so that the citizens can not know all the matters , actions , plans etc.
    Actually most of the pios did not disseminate complete information on sec4(1)b(ii)powers/ duties of officers/ staff. 4(1)b(iii) procedures followed in decision making process. Likewise 4(1)(b)iv, v, vi, xiv etc.
    4(1)b(xi) Quarterly/ yearly budget/ plans for the schemes, activities.
    4(1)b(xii) Manner & amt of the due subsidies to beneficiary.
    4(1)b(xiii) Names, adresses of subsidy recipients.
    Sec 4(1)c, d,& 4(2), (3), &(4) are also not shown on websites.
    Friends; these are some examples how the govts are cooking persistent conspiracy on the innocent citizens.
    And now the responsible ministry for RTI implementation ; the Deptt of Personal & Training ; as well as the independent court i.e. CIC will tell proudly, finally that the RTI sec 4 has been obeyed perfectly by all the public authorities. & Now they shall not listen any complaint in this regard.
    High court / Supreme Court also will tell that he cannot interfere in executive policies /actions.
    What a good working of a biggest democracy / welfare govt.in my country.

  5. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by vijendra singh View Post
    They just very shrewdly befooled the CIC as well as innocent citizens ; so that the citizens can not know all the matters , actions , plans etc.
    There is no need to befool the CIC. CIC, as a public authority, has to be a role model for other PAs in the matter of transparency and dissemination of information. Now consider following facts:

    1. On 15.9.2010 CIC issued circular conveying displeasure over non-implementation of sec. 4 by PAs and required all PAs to ensure its implementation within 4 months. But the fact is that on that date, and till at least 26.11.2010, its own suo-moto disclosures were entirely faulty, so much so that in the "Particulars of Organisation", Sh. Shailesh Gandhi was not shown as an I.C.
    2. Even today, while all the papers received in the registry of IC(SG) are scanned and stored in electronic form, it is not mentioned in the "Details of information available to or held by it, reduced in electronic form".

    And the position mentioned at s. no. 1 was despite the fact that on attention being invited by our senior member Mr Karira, CIC had issued an office order fixing responsibility of different officers for updation of their website on 23.2.2010.

    SO ACTUALLY CIC ITSELF IS BEFOOLING THE CITIZENS.

  6. #38

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    The issue of PAs not having websites, not posting information in accordance with RTI act, information being inadequate etc is quiet rampant across India. It is a post independence CANCER for the nation.

    Experience clearly shows that incompetent individuals have been assigned roles in RTI just to keep with pErmanence. It is time for India to ponder on what are the ways by which so called OFFishials have got their jobs? It will be very painful to go deep into the murks, deprivation, losses that it caused respective contemporaries, society at large. Nevertheless, some rationality, justice is needed at least at long last. The performance of individuals should be evaluated in a transparent, just manner and dispensed with. I know it will stir a controversy. But, that is a must. These individuals know too much about rules and how to break it. They are simply nuisances. They are the cause for failures. They are cause for Asathyameva Jayathe. It will be well to jettison them off. Let RTI be invoked in conjunction with other provisions that govern a public servant. As a matter of policy, rules should be modified to modify pErmanence from life long pErmanance and limiting it to say a maximum of 15 years. If the servant has already eaten up 15 plus years, then it should be even more strong case for jettisoning that individual out. Well, this is a bit of different matter, away from RTI. But, RTI has suffered. Why not RTI take the first step? An axiom, 'A good rule in bad hands and bad rule in good hands' is worth quoting. There should be no dilly dallying. Enough is enough. Individuals have to be held responsible for lapses. RTI act does provide for that.

    When one notices that a PA does not have a website, it should be made public. The name of the authority, website address etc should be published on forums. Fact of website missing, information missing, information being inadequate/wrong etc should then be vetted publicly. Enough of evidence should be collected by way of authentic downloads etc and complaints should be lodged with CIC under RTI act.

    I think, it is our duty to blow the whistle at apt time on apt individuals whoever it be. Let us not shy away from our duty. More so, if we are affected by it, we should not hesitate to use our right. RTI is our right. Why not invoke it? Why suffer silently?

  7. #39

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    Quote Originally Posted by P.Suresh View Post
    When one notices that a PA does not have a website, it should be made public. The name of the authority, website address etc should be published on forums. Fact of website missing, information missing, information being inadequate/wrong etc should then be vetted publicly. Enough of evidence should be collected by way of authentic downloads etc and complaints should be lodged with CIC under RTI act.
    Sureshji, kindly go through post # 37.

    If the Physician has fallen ill, how can you expect him to heal others!!

  8. #40

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    If there is something wrong with CIC, let it be brought to the notice in this forum. Let number of people come to know of it. All would vouch for it. Let there be one complaint at an apt time. Let us note that updating information on a website involves some technicalities and sometimes it so happens that the process gets truncated. Being a technical person myself, I know that these things cannot be held as guilt/mistake. Maybe there are practical hiccups. Is CMO alright? At least, is CMO non-corrupt, efficient etc and does he meet public expectation?



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