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    One of my friends has applied to a nationalised bank to allow him inspection of records pertaining to his loan accounts with the help of a Chartered Accountant. Bank CPIO and FAA decided that they will permit inspection by my friend only without assistance of a C.A. or any other person and that too of the record, copies of which have not been given or demanded by the friend. We shall be prefering final appeal to CIC shortly. I would like august members of this site to kindly enlighten me on this issue so that it can be effectively appealed at CIC. Thanks


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    Hello JPS,

    I am also facing similar problem. The CAPIO refused to show me the ORIGINALS saying that it's against Banks Rules.

    I asked to see those rules, but he refused to show me saying that they are internal documents.

    I was also not allowed to take someone with me.

    Hope some forum members can enlighten us on this.

    Sidharth

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    1. For presence of another person during inspection of records, please see:

    https://www.rtiindia.org/forum/803-pr...-document.html

    https://www.rtiindia.org/forum/794-ca...r-present.html

    https://www.rtiindia.org/forum/1080-representation.html
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    Please also see:

    https://www.rtiindia.org/forum/2658-i...under-rti.html
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    The CAPIO refused to show me the ORIGINALS saying that it's against Banks Rules.
    I asked to see those rules, but he refused to show me saying that they are internal documents.
    I could not find answers to my Queries anywhere in this forum.

    Any preceedents / decisions available for this?

    Sidharth

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    Sidharth, Did you ask for inspection of "original" documents in your initial RTI application ?
    If yes, the CPIO must allow inspection of originals.

    Sec 2(f), (i) and (j) clearly say "document".
    Original document is also a document.

    I also think that Sec 22 gives the RTI Act to supercede the Rules of the Public Authority (in this case, the bank)

    Re inspection of original documents, please have a look at the following decisions of the CIC: https://cic.gov.in/CIC-Orders/Decision_28022008_26.pdf https://cic.gov.in/CIC-Orders/Decision_14022008_10.pdf https://cic.gov.in/CIC-Orders/Decision_29012008_05.pdf https://cic.gov.in/CIC-Orders/Decision_27112006_9.pdf
    (specifically item 7 of the above decision)
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    No I did not use the word "Original" in my application.

    These were my exact wordings:
    "Q-11. In connection with the all the points (1-10) above I want to inspect associated files at the branch premises." &
    "I want to personally inspect the files in connection to above."

    I believed that when file inspection is requested it always implies inspection of Originals.

    It seems I was mistaken. I have Learnt a good lesson. Henceforth I will use the words "ORIGINAL" ivariably.

    Thank a Lot for your clarification.

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    My friend's problem is 1] taking assistance of a C.A. during inspection of records, as my friend is only 12th std pass and cannot understand English or detailed Hindi or banking records. 2]. Whether bank can restrict access during inspection to that part of record which has not been supplied or demanded by my friend. I think my friend should have unrestricted access to all the records of his loan account. He can verify if there is any manipulation in paper/information already supplied also.
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